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Postby Jamess » Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:29 pm

Food for thought I think for some of the freshers out there who are learning to roll.
The Common rolling technique
C to C.
C to C again

Something Different
screw roll

longer vid... some good pointers
Technique



have a watch. the guys out there may post some more helpful links or advice.
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Postby Jamess » Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:56 pm

oh and if you get good enough....

insane?
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Postby Jake » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:11 pm

I always teach screw roll.
Its better.

C to C is for chumps.
A good example of a chump-tastic c-c roll here 30 seconds in:
http://www.youtube.com/box2k2#p/u/14/m-AeWTgpxYQ
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Postby Jake » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:41 pm

While rolling is on the cards, you cant forget the backdeck roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frRYZI6VpIg
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Postby Dárragh » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:41 pm

C to C roll is less reliable and not as preferable to the Screw roll (also called Twist and slice/sweep roll)... but Jethro does teach a type of C-C roll which is safe and effective and if it works for you then by all means learn it.
It's advisable though to then learn the screw roll as it abides by similar principles but is much more reliable in fast flowing water.

So long as nobody learns pawlatta's it's cool :P
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Postby jethro » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:48 pm

Learn them all, just not all at once, get one bomb proof (on both sides) then try another.
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Postby peterH » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:52 pm

Dárragh wrote:So long as nobody learns pawlatta's it's cool :P

It Is the only way most people can roll a laden sea kayak. Not so relevent here but it is a good way of getting people into the idea of hipflicks. There is so much leaverage they will almost always come up so I often teach it as a building step to a screw.
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Postby Jake » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:55 pm

As much as it pains me to say it.... Jethro is right
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Postby Dárragh » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:58 pm

peterH wrote:
Dárragh wrote:So long as nobody learns pawlatta's it's cool :P

It Is the only way most people can roll a laden sea kayak. Not so relevent here but it is a good way of getting people into the idea of hipflicks. There is so much leaverage they will almost always come up so I often teach it as a building step to a screw.


Fair enough, I understand it's place in sea kayaking... but I avoid it like the plague so when shit hits the fan on a river no-ones tempted to set up the old pawlatta if they've learnt it in a pool previously.
Horses for courses and all that but I see it as a bit of a pointless step when we could spend more time learning other more river specific rolls.
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Postby Jamess » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:03 pm

Guys, awesome advice, TBH, my roll is what works for me, not sure what it is, but if you are saying a screw is better, i'll get on to teaching my freshers that!
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Postby Jake » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:15 pm

My advise is to teach what you know best, once people have a roll they can modify it to fit their needs
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Postby Dárragh » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:28 pm

Jake wrote:My advise is to teach what you know best, once people have a roll they can modify it to fit their needs


Definitely, all rolls abide by the same principles moving your body from one quadrant of the boat to another, hip flicking and timing, and some sort of paddle 'sweep to brace position.
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Postby Naomi_N » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:34 pm

Jamess wrote:oh and if you get good enough....

insane?


omg...the things people do! that concept MUST have come up on a drunken night at the pub!!!
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Postby Jake » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:42 pm

Jamess wrote:oh and if you get good enough....

insane?


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Postby SarahW » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:10 pm

I think it's also worth pointing out that properly nailing basic strokes properly first is key to a solid roll - high braces and sculling for support are (IMO) essential skills needed in order to bring along a good rolling technique. They also help avoid the need to roll on a river!
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