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Perpendicular defenders

Postby Robbing » Wed May 06, 2015 10:54 pm

Say that the opposition have a 2 and 2 zone, or at least one layer of it. Or even a 3 and 1 zone. You decide that you want to be on the goal side to the perpendicular defender to the direction in which you're heading. What do you do to get past them to be where you want to be?

You can go over the back of their boat but what happens if the defender backs up? Obviously, you'd just smash in to them at 90 degrees and that's a foul.

You could aim for the nose or the tail of their boat to turn them around and scrape through. If they move forwards or backwards, the same issue arises.


So does this mean that you can't get past the perpendicular defender and you'll have to plan a different angle of attack?



On a similar topic, I notice that people like Lewis dive the nose of their boat under the oppositions boat. If this was at 90 degrees, would it be classed as a foul? Or does the 90 degree rule only apply if you were to smash in to them?
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Re: Perpendicular defenders

Postby Paddy F » Thu May 07, 2015 9:06 am

Part 1:
Rulebook

Part 2:
I think if I had time to draw this out it make a bit more sense but oh well, here goes....
If you are attacking a zone and you're stuck perpendicular to the defenders they could well have the ends of their boats touching so they are in a V shape, in this case I would either attack by myself to the ends of their boats hoping to break through and then push the defending boat sideways or try and go round the ends of the V with the aim of them either moving to block me thus creating a gap to let other attackers through or to get round the inside of them then push apart their formation creating opportunities for the attacking team to progress.

As for the dipping of you boat to get under, being the bottom boat in that situation gives you more control, there's nothing in the rules (that I could specifically find) about dipping your nose but when I did a refs course the subject got brought up and one of the comments from the guy running the course was basically about the fact that if you had clearly dipped your boat while approaching a player head on (i.e. sprinting at the start of a game) leading them to perform an illegal tackle on you due to your boat having dipped then because you exposed yourself to that danger they would probably penalise you. In terms of dipping under a defenders boat from an angle while attacking goal I don't think there's an issue, just be confident you can dip out from under their boat if all of a sudden you need to defend.
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Re: Perpendicular defenders

Postby watsosam » Thu May 07, 2015 1:07 pm

Personally I like to come realy wide and wait until the guy on the ball has seen me before making the run in to shoot. The defender can't move too far back because they leave a gap in the middle. Often they go for the guy with the ball and if he spots the pass then I have an oppurtunity to score. It's how I scored yesterday and I'll try it in the pool today.
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Re: Perpendicular defenders

Postby Robbing » Thu May 07, 2015 2:27 pm

Good shout of the rule book. I'll sticky that.


With the illegal 90 degree kayak tackle and whether diving under the oppositions boat is allowed.

It's illegal if....
66.4 - Any hard tackle, that results in significant contact to the side of the kayak, at an angle between eighty (80) and one hundred (100) degrees.


Obviously when going head to head and one opponent dives their boat down, this is likely to cause a kayak to the face situation, which is obviously why it's not allowed.
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Re: Perpendicular defenders

Postby Paddy F » Thu May 07, 2015 3:42 pm

With the thing about dipping in the sprint rule 66.1: "Any kayak-tackle that results in significant contact between the tackler’s kayak and the head or body of an opposing player, or endangering a player."
The point I tried to make was that normally in a sprint if the boat A rides up the deck of boat B and hits player B in the body or head, player A will be penalised according to the above rule. However, the guy running my refs course said that if the reason boat A hit player B was because player B had clearly intentionally dipped his boat causing boat A to hit them, in that scenario he would penalise player B under rule 70.8: Other unsporting behaviour to a player, referee or other official or behaviour considered detrimental to the game, at the discretion of the referee. basically saying that by intentionally setting player A up to foul them as a way of securing the ball they are breaking the rules.
Not to mention being bloody stupid.
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