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CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby KirstyS » Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:21 pm

On the night of the AGM, as well as voting in the new committee, we review, discuss and decide upon improvements to the clubs constitution

The current constitution is here 

Post any suggestions for changes below, then we'll discuss them on the night.
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Re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby sarahaw15 » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:54 pm

I believe something relating to the setting up of/allowing a committee to form of non-club members and/or previous rodeo bosses should be assembled in light of extreme changes in course fees and general increase in ticket price likely making future rodeos at a stinky ditch in Nottingham un-feesible. I think an alternate location should be strongly considered and thoroughly researched. I think this job requires more experience, contacts and time than 2/3 new students have on top of the general event organisation. Hence allowing more influence to come from a more experienced and wider range of interested and invested people. Please consider ways in which this could be put into action to hopefully preserve NSR for the future, as it stands it is unlikely to remain viable, and many people are invested in the continuation and sustainability of this event.

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Re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby Robbing » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:22 pm

I agree with your concern for NSR but i don't believe this should a constitutional change. Mainly because it should only be a one off event.....hopefully.

The NSR bosses already choose a treasurer outside of the AGM and outside any influence of the committee of the club - and it appears to have worked out year after year. Therefore, i would like to imagine the current NSR bosses would be sensible enough to reach out for help from various people who care for NSR and have experience.
Maybe the club/NSR bosses should have a continually updated list of people and their contact details who are willing to help for current NSR bosses can contact for advice/help.
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Re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby sarahaw15 » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:43 pm

I think someone outside of the two NSR bosses needs some kind of power to make decisions for the good of the event. Personally I no longer believe NSR to be runnable to a sustainable level by students at all, when negotiating a new location, camping and other licensing agreements will have to take place, I also believe more efficiency and a greater profit margin could be created by someone(s) who had more time to spare on the event and was potentially motivated by it paying their working hours to a reasonable level could generate funds for a good purpose or for the club. The amount of time I spent on the event, if I had been paid I probably wouldn't have had a university fee that year. But I respect that this event has been run by Leeds for its entire life and the club may be reluctant to give the event up. Ultimately I think for the event to progress in the future Leeds should pass it on.

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Re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby sarahaw15 » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:46 pm

Also more power for the event organisers may remove the need to rely on companies such as river legacy who may not be the most efficient way of doing things. Money from a more efficient bar and other cost efficiencies such as purchasing lighting equipment and proper catering staff would improve the event greatly in my opinion

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Re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby sarahaw15 » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:47 pm

Unless everyone wants to be paying >£60 for the event every year

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Re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby Canavan » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:40 pm

I agree with Rob, there is obviously a need for a bit of a shake up of NSR if it is to continue, but the resources are there for the next bosses in the form of old bosses, River Legacy, etc. But it doesn't need to be a constitutional amendment as there is nothing stop the bosses from forming a 'commitee' to help with organising, in one sense they already do by having Ben and Gareth organise Safety, Giles organising the scoring system, First Aid leader, Carrick as head Media Mogel etc. If the bosses need help then ask :) no shame in it.

Just because the course fees have risen significantly is no reason for the club to just give up with NSR. How much negotiation has there been with a stinky ditch in Nottingham about this? Have we just bent over and took it or actually argued and explained how detrimental this would be to the event?

If you want to set up am events company and bid for the contract over River Legacy then feel free but they have the alcohol licence and have had to out a lot of effort in to get that licence. It's not gonna be simple for Leeds to just take over the whole event and set up a bar and organise the party. They are hired by us to organise the party we can tell them what we want more than they can tell us what we are having.

To summarise, the bosses can make a 'comittee' if they feel necessary and the constitution doesn't stop them. Leeds don't need to just give up on NSR yet, people have still bought tickets and unis are stilled interested in the event. River Legacy work for us and of we want to change something they will help us do that. Doubt anyone will realistically take on the event, for profit, and the event become much cheaper. The problem is course cost so moan at the course, tell everyone on the Sunday at prize giving why the event is more expensive this year, and what a stinky ditch in Nottingham have planned for next year, then point them in the direction of the centre and let the people complain too.



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Re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby sarahaw15 » Mon Feb 15, 2016 11:38 am

I agree, in general, I just can't actually see it happening without someone stepping up to help. And I don't think there is such incentive outside of the committee position, good luck to next year's bosses!

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Re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby Pyro » Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:29 pm

NOTE before reading on: Nothing here is intended as a criticism of any Rodeo Bosses past, present or future. None of it is a judgement on what's 'better' or 'worse'. It *is* maybe a bit of an opinion piece, because some of what Sarah has said has brought back memories of some old Rodeos and hey, I like having an opinion and letting people know I have one.

Totally agree with some of Sarah's points, that the Rodeo needs some attention and maybe some changes and/or contingencies put in place, but also agree with Rob and Andy that this is not something for the constitutional amendments as, other than the appointment of the Comp Secs, nothing else NSR-related is a matter for the general club constitution.

The idea of 'incentive' is a good one, however I'd balance that with the thought that adding these things to the paperwork mean that they MUST be done, which, while adding in a driver for change, robs the event of one of its greatest assets: Creativity. One of the things that has made the NSR so great over the years is the variation that a new set of Bosses brings, and the freedom for those Bosses to stamp their own creative mark on the event. Redefining a structure within the constitution - taking aside the vagaries of trying to define within a University document a committee which would partially comprise of people no longer part of and no longer answerable to the Union - could stifle the myriad of individual approaches and routes to the end-product that the Rodeo needs and deserves.

In terms of a committee, as Andy points out, the Rodeo Bosses already have access to a bunch of us oldies who will pretty much help out with and consult upon anything they can. But far more than that, the Rodeo Bosses also have access to an even bigger pool of resource: LUUCC.

In the build to the Rodeo itself, some past Rodeo Bosses have crowd-sourced a good chunk of stuff, had open Rodeo meetings round someone's house where anyone interested from the club could come along, everyone could stay updated with how things were going, people could get involved at a level other than being asked to be a runner/bake cake/scribe. Other Bosses have opted not to, and kept things in-house, dealt with everything on their own and only outsourced what absolutely needed to be. Both solutions work, both produced excellent Rodeos, no doubt.

Going back to the original point briefly, I agree with Rob and Andy that I don't think this is a Constitutional Amendment. Straying from it once again, I would say it's worth noting that, if a future Rodeo Boss wants to change things up, they have an awfully large pool of people to draw from, who have a massive range of experiences. If I had to be a Rodeo Boss (heaven forbid - I don't envy you guys at all), I'd want the whole club to be as invested as possible, and be able to ask anyone to do anything. The Holy Triumvirate of Bosses and Treasurer is great; the Lesser Gods of Safety Boss, Toastie Boss, Judging Boss and First Aid Boss are great; but you've got 50-100 other minor deities ready to work and be exalted whenever you want them. They are there to be taken into the fold, energised and pointed at any reasonable task given to them. Make use of that.
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Re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby Canavan » Mon Feb 15, 2016 2:00 pm

Yeah what he said...^

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Re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby sarahaw15 » Tue Feb 16, 2016 1:08 pm

I guess I agree with you. I just felt I needed to raise some concerns within the club, but I'd agree in light of these arguments that this is not really a constitutional thing, but maybe would encourage the next rodeo bosses to have a large open meeting with anyone who'd like to come/share an opinion/listen to be invited, I also agree with Andy that the people at the rodeo will have a lot of weight with the course where perhaps one or two bosses may make little impact and I hope we can encourage people to go and make their opinions heard during the weekend and after the event :)

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Re: CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENTS 2016

Postby Pyro » Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:09 pm

Yup, totally agree. Whether it's for the constitution or not, good to get it raised :)

PS - Were I a total and utter vindictive bastard (ahem... ), I'd be using a website something like WhatDoTheyKnow to place an Information Request under the Freedom of Information Act to Nottinghamshire County Council to find out what the average numbers and revenues received from rafting and kayaking at the National Water Sports Centre at Holme Pierrepont over weekends in March for, say, the past 3 years have been... But of course, I wouldn't do that, because I'm not a total and utter vindictive bastard, and I'm sure no-one from Serco would even think about simply pulling figures out of their arse/ thin air...
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